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Harjas Sandhu's avatar

> Does it make sense to think of worthwhile things as inherently involving some kind of good friction/meritorious unpleasantness/etc., or is that itself a kind of conservative editorializing or judgmentalism?

I think I could maybe harmonize our views by saying something like, "friction is not important in and of itself, but many activities/practices that are vital to human connection are built upon friction, and so trying to *remove* friction indiscriminately will cause us to wipe out many foundational activities/practices that keep us together." Would you agree, or am I still missing something about your view?

Dustin Pieper's avatar

One thing I get frustrated by is when we get hung up on the object itself in a discussion rather than the reasoning.

Like in your example with the art critic. Yeah, art criticism really can be reactionary. That's true. But not all of it is, and if you can't recognize the difference, that's a "you" problem. Because the only other alternative is the complete death of critique and judgement, which is silly and will just get laughed out of the room.

And then, like you allude to, that just opens up the floodgate the other way, since now it undermines the ability to legitimately call out the reactionary critiques we were worried about to begin with.

Maybe that's another example of the negative frictionlessness of the internet. Because communication is so open and detached from actual one-on-one engagement, it's hard to see the nuances. It's much easier to just lump folks into a whole.

I think we need to start building up more of a moral sense around friction, including defining when it's good and when it's bad. It's probably generally good when it removes pointless tedium, for instance. It's probably generally bad when it removes social structures or makes it easy to avoid people. And it's definitely bad when it relies on addiction. I'm hoping the next Papal Encyclical goes into this more!

Also, where do I go to meet these urbanist Catholics? Too many Catholics around here are all hyper isolationist ruralists, if they're anything at all.

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